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The CIBSE Yorkshire Committee
January 2018

BIM Perspectives - Joint CIBSE/B&ES Event

We have a joint event with the B&ES at the Double Trees Hotel in Granary Wharf, Leeds arrive for a 18:30 buffet with the main event starting at 19:00.
3 speakers will each give different perspectives of BIM, it's implementation and what it really means to those in and around the Building Services industry.
Lee Chappelow and Paul Newby will provide an overview from a building services perspective and Martin Brown will provide the Architects viewpoint
All speakers are experienced practitioners in the field so it should hopefully provide some stimulus for debate.
Further profiles of the speakers are below;
Lee Chappelow – Assistant BIM Manager 
Responsible for day to day BIM operations in 28 person SES BIM team. Lee has significant engineering coordination experience and BIM expertise and leads all major SES projects as well as being part of the BIM continuous improvement & strategic implementation team.
Paul Newby – Engineering Services Director 
Responsible for BIM operations for SES UK and for developing the integrated project delivery model which is SES’s next step on our BIM journey. Paul sits on the CIBSE BIM Group, SEC BIM Group and the SES BIM Steering Group where we develop and implement our BIM strategy, linked to our wider business improvement and change strategies.
Martin Brown - Independent construction and FM support professional.
He is well known locally and nationally through his regular presentations to Construction Excellence Groups, his blog ( on sustainability, CSR and collaborative working as well as his regular tweets on those subjects, and others, as @fairsnape.
With nearly 35 years experience within the built environment sector gained in project management, businesses improvements and independent consultancy, he has successfully managed large complex construction projects, led successful ISO 9000 and 14000 accreditation’s for a variety of organisations, supported many successful bids, and assisted organisations on a multitude of improvement projects.
This background coupled with Martin’s links within industry places him in a unique position to talk about integration within construction between disciplines and how BIM naturally complements the building cycle from initial tender through to successful completion of the project and beyond.
After the formal event, discussions can be taken to the bar.
To book your place email Neil Ashford, B&ES Regional Manager Yorkshire and North East
at neil.
Event Organizer:  (Specialist Building Engineering Recruiter focusing on mechanical, electrical, public health, CAD and maintenance.)

Double Trees Hotel,
Granary Wharf,
19/09/2012 18:30:32

Post event review
The evening started with an introduction from Jim Marner of the B&ES expressing the belief that there is something of a “genetic  flaw” that leads the industry to perpetuate problems, 80% of which he believes could be resolved at pre-contract stage and mainly relate to design and procurement. Jim went on to say that he sees BIM as being an opportunity to create a new model leading to more projects being completed with a greater level of success than previously.

Having laid the foundations for the discussion to follow Paul gave an overview and then went on to talk about the challenge of the 2016 BIM target and how SES had embraced it to prepare for that deadline and gain advantage. What they have found is that for advantage to be realised, general understanding of BIM, cost of implementation and construction industry methodology would need to be addressed.

Paul discussed how poor models would be of limited value and that issues regarding the transfer of data between Architects, Modellers and other disciplines can hinder the cornerstone of BIM; that of being able to use information more than once and smooth out procurement processes.

Lee then discussed the technology side of BIM within SES and how they use AutoCAD as a basic package with Revit for Stage E moving on to AutoDesk Fabrication (formerly FABMep+ and CADmep+ as separate packages, now merged), their own system to quantify costs before NavisWorks for 3D visualization, clash detection, coordination, presentations and bringing models in from other packages.

The idea is that core information comes in at one end and is progressed through the system until the final result is produced and he demonstrated the value of using information more than once by extracting design data for a module and importing it in to their cost system. He then showed how the system could provide a list of the constituent parts, costs and labour for that module. While very impressive, Lee was keen to point out that to reach the stage of being able to make it look that easy had taken several years and many hours of development.

Paul raised the following discussion points as part of his rounding off:
  - The industry appears keen to embrace BIM and its expected benefits, but there are still factors holding it back such as knowledge and questions of achieving return on investment.
  - W
ho are the BIM Heroes and where are they coming from?
  - Whether the industry as a whole is ready for the necessary culture change as opposed to merely buying the appropriate packages/technology.
  - There are still inefficiencies within project procurement which BIM may not be able to fully help address

As a final statement he talked about the need to blur the boundaries between the various stages of building and the different parties involved to achieve the necessary degree of collaborative working needed for all to benefit.

This final statement led very nicely on to Martin’s presentation Copy of Martins presentation here where he started with a definition of BIM as follows:

“The total and virtual modelling of all aspects of a facility prior to construction, during construction and in use.”

Martin stressed the word facility as he believes that clients do not commission buildings, but places which have to fulfil a purpose. He then compared the 13 month build period of the Empire State Building at the rate of 1 story a day with a maximum of 3400 people on site and one contractor with Ropemaker Place which took 3 years, had a maximum of 500 people on site and 140 contractors. What happened to progression? Complexity of building, process and organisational complexity as well as inefficient production were given as reasons; things that Jim referred to at the start, that SES has been developing BIM to minimise and something which Martin believes can be avoided through collaboration.

The origins of BIM go further back than most people think with its roots being in “Building Down Barriers” (pre-dating Egan) and Richard Saxon’s “Be Valuable”, a book he recommends reading. Richard Saxon is now the UK Governments BIM Ambassador who has introduced regional people to promote BIM at a more local level.

Martin asked whether technology was ruling the roost, or enabling the process; the clear thing is, he stated, if BIM is to lead to a 20% cost reduction by 2016, but is costing the industry more now, it is going in the wrong direction and only has a short while to make up ground, a concern of Paul’s when there are just over 3 years to go.

Taking communication as the root issue of many problems Martin described how email was used as a “splatter gun” while an effective BIM process will see all information relating to a scheme in a central point, ordered and accessible to all involved.

This is indeed a step change for the industry and he feels that the education system is teaching students about the old way; failing to show their students about the culture that the industry is adopting for the future.

So how to move forward?
  - G
et all parties involved, especially the smaller players
  - Be comfortable with paperless sharing

  - Be comfortable using social media sharing and its place in BIM

To make the point Martin likened taking social media away from young people to telling the previous generation that they waste too much time talking on their mobile ‘phone.

As a partial answer to where are the BIM heroes, he suggested that they are the people who are using Minecraft, Second Life etc. to design virtual worlds could well be those people given suitable understanding of construction.

With his presentation drawing to a close Martin talked briefly about Honda how “everything they do, goes in to everything they do” and the development of their culture, mind set and working practices to eliminate waste.

As a final comment, Martin highlighted the thought that we’ve tried solving the problem with technology, found it didn’t work and needed to go back to collaboration and then design the technology to facilitate that.

For further thoughts there is a Tweetchat about BIM using #TBim as a hashtag on the 26th November at 8pm – for details about what one is click here

There is also the thinkBIM network which holds regular meetings and discussions around BIM and its development. For further information visit:

It is also worth looking out for BIM Storms click here for details

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